Sunday, January 25, 2015

Do you suspect the same for WMAF couples? That the male is a fetishizer and the female is putting white guys on some kind of pedestal?

princessoffloral:



i disagree. both are certainly a thing. bisexuals and pansexuals face prejudice that is unique to them being non-monosexual, and this of perpetuated by both straight monosexuals and lgbt monosexuals. similarly, mixed race people may face racism that is unique to the fact that they are mixed race, and separate to the racism they may face for being poc. 



2. it is not discriminating against mixed raced children (you pulled that idea out of thin air lmao the op didn’t even MENTION them) to be concerned ab the balance of power and privilege in a white/poc interracial relationship. if you’re really concerned ab problems mixed kids face like idk, the racism and abuse our white parents throw at us is a bigger problem than those evil monoracials being worried our white dad is a fetishist.



mixed race people - not just children - are most certainly relevant to the conversation, because in case you didn’t notice, we are the product of mixed race relationships. shit that is flung at mixed race couples is very much real to our every day lives, and any relationship we are ever going to get into will always be a mixed race relationship. 


obviously if there is racism and abuse within a mixed race family, that is a massive problem and i certainly don’t seek to diminish that. but there will always be a ‘bigger problem’ out there somewhere, and the pissing contest won’t really get you very far. and this being present in some families does not mean that racism directed towards mixed race families for being mixed race is not a problem either. 



3. again I know half of tumblr SJ is SOCY 101 kids who can’t understand social dynamics unless they’re steamrolled to fit into a privilege/privileged format for easy consumption and the other half just want any chance to collect SJ points and level up but. Monoracial. Privilege. Is. Not. A. Thing. Especially in America or Europe aka “non poc counties” lmao.



i grew up in china, applying your western-centric ideas to the entire world doesn’t interest me. 



ETA: I’m not Asian, I’m mixed Morrocan/Rroma/white, but since OP seems like they’re jumping in to pontificate about ALL MIXED PEOPLE EVER and an ask about Asian interracial relationships was just their launching board and their opinions annoyed me I responded.


ok we gotta go back to the dictionary.



i disagree. both are certainly a thing. bisexuals and pansexuals face prejudice that is unique to them being non-monosexual, and this of perpetuated by both straight monosexuals and lgbt monosexuals. similarly, mixed race people may face racism that is unique to the fact that they are mixed race, and separate to the racism they may face for being poc. 



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polysexual people might face unique obstacles that “monosexual” gay or lesbian people do not, but this doesn’t mean that gay men or lesbian women are in anyway privileged over them, or in a position to wield institutional power. only straight people can do that to lgbt people. the same applies for race, especially when we are talking about mixed w/ white people and the dynamic that entails.



mixed race people - not just children - are most certainly relevant to the conversation, because in case you didn’t notice, we are the product of mixed race relationships. shit that is flung at mixed race couples is very much real to our every day lives, and any relationship we are ever going to get into will always be a mixed race relationship. 


obviously if there is racism and abuse within a mixed race family, that is a massive problem and i certainly don’t seek to diminish that. but there will always be a ‘bigger problem’ out there somewhere, and the pissing contest won’t really get you very far. and this being present in some families does not mean that racism directed towards mixed race families for being mixed race is not a problem either. 



thanks for pointing out to me that i’m the product of a mixed relationship :) i hadn’t noticed :) 


it is actually possible to to be wary about interracial relationships where one partner holds power/privilege and the other doesn’t without being prejudiced against mixed race people, even though you aren’t capable of doing so yourself. me, a real live mixed person in the flesh, can do so! we are talking about white/non-white couples here—this isn’t “shit being flung at mixed race couples” it’s non-white people grappling with racism and how it affects their attraction and how others are attracted to them. these are very valid concerns. i have them myself re: white people. i have the same concerns about being in a relationship with a man and not a woman because men hold that same kind of power over me that white people do and it shapes the way they view me and i view them.


thisisnotchina:



so to be honest, i have a lot of complex thoughts about the reactions to the last answer, which i did not write. discussing attraction and interpersonal relationships is difficult because they do not necessarily map onto political ideologies. i do personally get annoyed when i’ve had people actually ask me how i could’ve dated white men in the past considering my pro-asian, anti-racist leanings. being on the receiving end, i realize it’s a nuisance to have to defend myself.


AT THE SAME TIME, i think the way people responded to the last post does ignore a lot of social realities. despite my own experiences being in interracial relationships, i do get kneejerk reactions (particularly with WMAF and WMAM relationships), because i am concerned about the very real ways that asian women and gay asian men are sexually objectified by white men, or (in the case of AMWF couples) the ways that (straight) asian men are socialized to uphold white femininity as ideal over asian femininity. maybe yi could have rephrased it in a way to highlight this, but being concerned about whether and in what ways these social constructions subconsciously affect people’s attraction to asians is a valid reaction, and does not suggest that “every interracial couple is like that.” you can acknowledge that these are actual problems that need to be addressed without assuming that we’re talking about your parents, whom we’ve never met, or that we’re talking about your relationship, or whatever.


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i grew up in china, applying your western-centric ideas to the entire world doesn’t interest me. 



you jumped onto a post that was talking about white men being attracted to asian women and asian gay men. it is impossible to have this conversation without including western-centric ideas. where do you think white people came from? this isn’t #weareallafrica. if you’re mixed with white it means your existence is a result of white colonialism and conquest and so western/white dynamics are going to be involved in the discussion. it’s not “western-centric” to include part of our heritage in a discussion that’s specifically ab being mixed?? how do you even breathe in that contextual vacuum, bruh.

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